After reading the topic of another thread on this site, I thought it was high time I made use of this President's Corner that Deanhas so kindly set up for me.

This thread will be dedicated to current questions, concerns, rules in regards to the Registry. Of course I am speaking of the Canadian Arabian Horse Registry and the Canadian Partbred Arabian Registry but we can discuss other registries as well.

I wan to keep this thread respectful, but am willing to take on hot topics too.

So the first issue of the day is why is it that Arabian folks do not follow the rules of their registry when it comes t registering and transferring horses???

By this I mean, why do people not follow through on the paperwork. It is the seller/owners responsibility to send in the registration certificates with full payment when you sell/giveaway a registered horse.

It is not the new owners responsibility. Yet for some reason the people in the arabian breed have neglected their responsibilities and have left this important step up to the new owners.

Please note, I am speaking in general terms.I am aware that not all Arabian owners do this. Unfortunately it happens way more often than the correct manner.

Well I for one HATE paperwork in general so the easier it is do the better I like it....I am very happy that pictures of US transfer horses can be submitted online!! (speeds things up for sure)

I am one that does not have a credit card tho and since the discontinuation of personal cheques(don't get me worng I understand why) I am slow getting the money orders to the registry!!!...use of Debit card would be wonderful!!! Then everything could essentially done online...

Just my 2 cents...

Thanks joanne

With the new PayPal and 2CheckOut.com this might be a great way to help payments... you can use checks visa debit If clubs would explore this form of payment I think it would help a ton

Dean

Hi Joanne, just to let you know we (CAHR) are making North American transfers even easier by eliminating the photos. With DNA, we can verify whether or not the horse is who it is suppose to be and since we do most of our business with the US and we utilize their system for our verification it seemed a bit redundant to require photos if the markings match and DNA is utilized on any offspring.

As for the cheque issue. I agree it is ridiculous that we had to resort to a credit card, money order or certified cheque. But unfortunately as with every thing else in life, when someone causes a problem a rule is usually created to prevent it from happening again. The sad thing is that we tried to use cheques again for payment for the directory ads and surprise surprise as per usual there was a number of NSF cheques and we still have not been able to collect on a couple after a year.

I will ask the staff to look into a PayPal system to see if it would work and maybe that will help some folks out. Again it will not meet everyones needs, but it is another option.

For club sponsorshis I would love this.... or just club fees too... I dont leave my computer LOL

Most people I talk to are not aware that it is the Sellers repsonsiblity.
I am sure many breeders if they knew will happy to oblige.

I also think that in many cases the buyers offer to to do the transfer themselves so they can pick up the papers when they make the payment for the horse.

I know that in all horses I have bought over the years ONLY one was transfered for me.

I don't understand why people don't register horses right away. It is not rare to go to many farms and see horses well over the age of two years old not registered!!

Kristine

I've done it both ways - transfered a horse I sold/bought and also have had the buyer/seller transfer the horse. Frankly I was surprised when the seller offered to transfer them.

The only thing I don't care for when the seller transfers the horse, then the papers get sent back to them. I had that happen last year with a horse I wanted to show. I knew the papers had been sent in, the transfer had been done and they'd been mailed out. When I spoke to the lady at the registry (I don't recall her name, but it wasn't the registrar) she told me they'd been sent out ten days prior. I waited and waited and was starting to panic because the show entries were due. Finally I called and talked to the registrar and she told me they were most likely sent to the former owner because they were the ones that did the transfer. I called the former owner, who hadn't checked their mail for awhile, and sure enough there they were.

I also know of one person who did the transfer for the new owners, got the papers back and then never sent them to the new owner, and now they've been misplaced. Now, while the horse is transfered into their name, they don't have the registration papers. I know they can get a copy of those papers but they'll have to pay for them and it wouldn't have been a problem if they'd sent in the papers themselves in the first place.

I don't mind doing it either way, but I think the papers should be sent to the new owner, regardless who paid for the transfer. JMHO.

Edited to actually answer Marcia's question - I think many people aren't aware that it is the seller's responsiblity to transfer the papers. I know I wasn't aware of that until not too long ago.
Debbie

Debbie, thank you for mentioning that the papers were sent to the initial owners rather than the transferred owners. I will check on that as the papers should be going to the new owner not the previous.

Unless of course the registrar was directed to do it that way because a horse was bought on time payments or something. But then the new owner should be aware of that.

Like I said, I will talk to the staff to see why this is happening.

Thanks Marcia...would be great to see a Paypal type thing...or to register as a payee with the banks...ie the same way I pay my hydro or phone bill...I don't think it is much trouble to do as a business...even our local internet service (small business) is listed...cost can't be tht much for sure.
As for the pictures!!! YAHOO!! Never could figure that one out...it really kills to get a grey horse home in the dead of winter and try and get photos that verify his markings without shaving off all his hair or wetting him done in 50 below weather!! LOL
TERRIFIC!!
Thanks Joanne

We have bought several horses from both Canada and the US and have never had the seller complete and pay for the transfer (or offer to). For this reason I am another who was for a long time unaware that the transfer is actually the seller's responsibility. I'd imagine that changing this practice will have to start with the breeders making the initial transfer when they sell horses, as once a buyer pays to transfer a horse into their names it becomes less likely that they will complete the transfer if/when they make a sale, either because they now believe it is the buyer's responsibility or because they don't want the financial responsibility of transferring the horse both to and from their name. Many breeders probably feel that by the time they make a sale they already have enough invested in the horse- maybe one reason that the registration transfer is often left to buyers?

How does this work as far as the fee schedule goes? ie. If the seller is a CAHR member and the buyer is not, if the seller is the one paying for the transfer will they get the member rate?

I for one am one who loves to have paperwork up to date. I'd do my foal registrations sooner after birth if I could be confident about colour and markings. With so many grey horses whether they will turn grey is the first issue, and to make things more difficult last year we had two chestnut colts with at least one white hoof that grew out to black!

Glad to hear that photos will no longer be necessary for US transfers, one less step to worry about! When does this come into effect? (We'll have a new mare arriving from the US shortly.)