I am looking for a horse for myself and have narrowed my choices to 3 mares. One is a lovely chestnut Sabino mare, 5 years old, broke to ride. My goals are possibly Sport Horse, definitely Endurance and possibly driving...NOT for show purposes but for pleasure. If I wanted to breed this mare, and bearing in mind color is NOT the most important thiing but I wanted to try for a Sabino foal, how do I breed this mare? Her sire is a *Novator grandson. Her dam is Russian, Egyptian and heavily Polish. This mare has two very large belly spots a blaze and four whites. How likely is it that she will pass along the body spotting? I have not looked at her yet but that visit is coming. Suggestions? The other two mares are a 3 y/o Polish and a 15 y/o predominately Polish mare. My preference is something between 3 and 7 years old.

I have always heard that some of the loudest sabinos have come out of the plainest mares ... guess it is always a crap shoot... both of my mares are sabino... both are maiden, one is currently in foal to a smoky black stallion with minimal markings (I think he has a star)... we'll see what we get next May... in the meantime here is a fun site to play with, they give you the option of "sabino" so you can see how your mare may produce... http://www.horsetesting.com/CCalculator1.asp

Good luck and post pics when you make your decision

I have to add that I was horrified when my bay mare with just a star produced what is now called a Sabino back in the 80's when she was bred to the *Bask son Red Tape.

Not only did this filly have a big blaze and lots of socks, she had what looked like a Canadian maple leaf on her side.
We gave her away, as it was definitely frowned upon. She was a beautiful foal.

Prior to the Red Tape baby this mare had a filly by The Phoenician who had one white sock that went up over her knee. We had to sell her at a greatly reduced price ($7,500 in 1981), for until she greyed out all the way it was a problem. She was a national quality halter filly except for that.

So when someone said sometimes the most plain mares produce wild colors it sure was the case with this mare.

Funny enough this same mare bred to *Procent, who had a big blaze and socks, gave me a colt with minimal white!!!!

Old as I am, it is amazing to now see people going out of their way for this color. Times sure have changed!!!!
(and I am not saying that in a negative way, its just amazing the turn around...)

Hi !
Might I suggest my Stallion, Spirit Thyme He is a beautiful Sabino Champion SPORTHORE stallion :-) He has produced 13 foals ALL with sabino Characteristics, all have roaning, many have high whites and one a huge belly spot, none came from Sabino mares :-)

Here is a link to his pedigree http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/spirit+thyme

here is a link to his foal page http://www.spiritthyme.com/contact.html

Spirit Thyme also has belly spots and is double Registered Arabian & Pinto :-)

Here is his PB son with big belly spot and one of Spirit himself :-)



oops I appologize, I thought you were asking about a stallion to breed the mare to !!!!

Oh, BFF, I can SO relate to what you say! I, too, am old as dirt and and can recall when horses such as the ones you specify would have been embarassments and not jewels. It truly is amazing how times/perceptions change.

Cyclone

Same here about being old as dirt and remembering when....I do however believe that only because of individuals speaking up and out that their horse whom is/was Sabino is/was a fine animal regardless of the extra(s)~the perception is changing! Kind of like coming out of the closet so to speak....If it was hidden, and the general concensus was that all that extra was not good then that's what it was. And now with the advent of the internet and the capabilities of being able to share photos and stories to a wide mass of individuals, kind of makes it hard on those that choose to think the Sabino's do not exist and that no one wants one....In fact, as mentioned earlier the truth of the matter is exactly the opposite.

For the OP - yes, Spirit Thyme is a great example of a stallion that could help you get some of that extra And of course, when breeding a Chestnut to a Chestnut you can only get Chestnut Just do your homework which should always be done regardless (IMO) and you will discover which pedigrees/lines/individuals the Sabino trait is more common in and will increase your chances of getting your desired Sabino. And as stated previously, it does not always take a obvious phenotypically expressed Sabino to create one....Pedigree research is important and will truly help you in more ways than one. Have fun and keep us posted!

Denise Gainey

In 2006 I bred a grey sabino Arab mare to a purebred Grullo dun Kiger stallion. What I got out of the mix was a red dun sabino filly. Her sire (Shelby) is pictured above my signature.

Kiger Mustangs are great horses and great colors.

Just goes to show bell bottoms do come back in style.

copper

Yep sometimes you get a real wild foal from a plain mare and vice versa - you just never know!!!

I wish you the best in choosing a mare for you. Iam sure you will find THE ONE

I would say for breeding to definately try with Heather SPIRIT THYME. He is a classy, flashy boy that produces really great athletic babies with super minds!

I recommend that you try using several of the better horse selling websites that have search features where you can put in special words such as sabino to search for your mare.

If you are looking at producing a sabino foal from this five (5) year old, chestnut sabino, Russian-bred Arabian mare, then google both Psyches Apache and Khartoon Khlassic, who are extremely nice sabino producing Arabian stallions. Psyches Apache is a Padron Physche son, which would nick nicely with a Russian-bred mare. I particularly like Khartoon Khlassic, who is a bay Khemosabi son that produces very nice offspring, both sabino and non-sabino, from all types of Arabian mares. Spirit Thyme is also an excellent choice for a stallion along with HG Esquire.

http://www.khartoonkhlassic.com/



Lorna G. Kirby, PE