We are just getting interested in working western events--especially reining and cutting. I am curious as to what purebred bloodlines are considered the best for these events? I know Eleanor's Arabian farms seems to use Muscat and Xenophenn bloodlines, and Toshkara uses Polish. Are there any others that seem to have the right athleticism for these events?

I decided to breed an Arab reiner about 8 years ago . I came from a background with QH's and had a pretty high standard . I looked for 4 years and found the right stallion . The stallion I bred to was SC Buckaroo Bay who was a US National Champion Reining Horse ( 2000 ) . I watched Buck compete in 1997, 1998 and kept an eye on him until his stud fee doubled then bred to him ( didn't say I was smart ) .

Buck was a Desperado V son . Desperado has sired a huge number of working western horses . Buck's mother was Bay Teza she was a USTT WP and I think halter . Her full brother Bay Event was a multi-National Champion working cow horse . Their mother was the famous Ronteza the only Arabian winner at Cow Palace in the open reined cow horse, she competed all over California in open reined cow horse and beat the best stock horses of that era . Bay Teza and Bay Event were sired by Bay-Abi who was used for many years as a working ranch horse . Sadly SC Buckaroo Bay died in 2002 .

My mare is a whole bunch of things but she is a Muscat granddaughter . I thought with the cross of the double Bay-Abi on the Muscat I would have a pretty good chance of getting a super athlete , and I did . She has yet to compete but her paternal half-siblings that have , have Nat'l wins in working western events .

My other mare is by GS Khochise out of a Barbary daughter . She has a maternal half-sister that has done well in working cow horse . I think the Khemos are a good choice as well . She is very quick and shows an aptitude for cutting .

I would say for what working western discipline ? if you want a cutting or working cow horse look at older American lines . If you want a reining horse only, look at some of those breeding programs . They are slightly different but many horses can do all three . *Gondolier ( might have spelled that wrong ) sires a lot of good reiners so does Desperado V and some of the Muscat sons who owned the Arab reining world in the late 80's and early 90's .

I think any Arab could probably do these events as long as they are interested in the cattle and are athletic enough .

I've been most involved in breeding reiners. I started with Half Arab Reiners - and I think that these horses are the kind that will be able to compete in the NRHA. I am not sure that many purebreds have what it takes to seriously compete in the NRHA. I hope people will try though.

I had been in Arabian racing for 25+ years and when we changed directions of discipline we still had alot of the breeding that did well on the track. These are athletes with great conformation and minds.

I believe there are alot of bloodlines that haven't been tried in reining yet - we only know about a few. I think that there are so many bloodlines that haven't been tried that it's anyone's guess.

I am using my *Orzel, Magus, Samtyr, Wiking, Tiki Sahiber Ku, and other successful race sire lines. So far they look good - but I have yet to show a purebred. This year one of my Half ARabs won the big Futurity and another one has a good chance of winning this coming year. We do have one getting ready for the 07 Scottsdale Purebred Reining Futurity - she'll be a 5 year old - she is by my old stallion (Magus) and out of a Tiki Sahiber Ku daughter that is out of a Sambor daughter - can't get much more racing elite than that - however I feel she could do well in reining. She is 5 so this will be her only eligible year - however her full baby brother -a 2 year old now - will be a great prospect for his 4 and 5 year old years. Kind of an interesting fact - the dam of this mare is Tikis Song - She will have a 4 year old gelding son in the HA Scottsdale Reining Futurity and a 5 year old daughter in the Purebred Scottsdale Reining Futurity! That would be incredible if they both do very well - say make the finals!!

Comstock Lode. That is too cool! Missmagus just pointed me to this site. I bought a SC Buckaroo Bay daughter from Suzie Creek this spring! Ronteza clinched the deal for me. I'm not sure why I never bred to Buck. Maybe the price tag. I have bred to Desperado a few times and have been reining a gelding, Reinman, by Despo that I raised. The Buck daughter is SC Angels Star. She was a TT futurity reiner at US nationals in 2003. She then went to another trainer and (I was told) developed some mental issues there. Like someone didn't get along with her at the barn and her brain sort of got fried. She'd been back on the ranch over a year till I found her. I've been riding her and showed her at Eastern Arab show and East Coast CHampionships and did OK. She is probably what some would call a hot horse, but I'll get it figured out. she's not wild or obnoxious, just exuberant. She's a blast to ride, but she's still a little inattentive and easily distracted. But it's getting MUCH better (yay Clinton Anderson). She would be a great endurance horse, too, i think. She just doesn't run out air. Her recoveries seem very fast, though I've never checked them. She has huge nostrils. Her dam did some endurance races and a few full siblings to her dam have tremendous endurance and/or flat racing records. The dam is a Monarch AH daughter from a *Gondolier daughter, so she comes by in honestly LOL. SHe's in foal to missmagus' Hollywood White and if his quietness will temper her enthusiasm down just a notch, the baby will be awesome.
I had heard many years ago from Dr. Deb Bennett, that if you want to breed for a reiner, *Muscat is the way to go. SHe said he really had the gaskins for it. I have since heard from a friend that use to work at Howie Kale's that some of the offspring were a little lacking in self preservation. Could be ditzy. But you know how that goes. The stallion gets all the blame when the dam helped out a little bit LOL. There have certainly been some very successful Muscat horses in reining, and crossed right should work!

That's is so great !!! I know Angels Star ! When I went to Elko in 2001 I saw her twice. We went on a pasture tour so I could see Buck's babies . They had all the similar age fillies together in a pasture and I was able to look at them all . I ended up buying a GS Khochise daughter they had in the pasture .

At that time the Jeary's were managing the farm and I know Sheila bred a couple of their HCC mares to Buck . I thought if someone who's been breeding endurance and ranch horses for 50 years bred to him ,I was on the right track.

Mine is hotish and I'm taking things slow with her . Her mother is a bit hot but willing to do anything you ask . I met a lady at a show who had a HA Buck daughter ( I think she was 3/4's ), the most perfect buttermilk buckskin you've ever seen , she had not one good thing to say about the mare . Everything wrong with her was Buck's fault , altho the mare stood there sleeping with all the show activity go on while waiting for her SHIH class . I later found out the dam of that mare's Arab breeding is notorious for being crazy hot .

I love my Buck daughter she's just what I wanted and if she never makes it as a reiner I'll still be happy with her . She's one of those when I walk out back and call her she comes running , something special about her to me . This is the only half way decent picture I've gotten of her , she isn't pretty like her mother but has charisma. I would love to see some pictures of Angels Star, I haven't seen her since she was two.

Comstock Lode -

Your mare looks nice. I'd considered Buckaroo Bey at one time - so sad about his untimely death. So that took care of that - but I'm so interested to see 'mhtokay's foal out of Angel. I certainly feel that if there's a bit of'hot' that Hollywood White will calm it down. He's been able to do it with all that I've bred so far. My mare's are race bred and I don't really consider them hot - but an Arab usually has a bit more 'edge' on them than Qh's. The Samtyr, Magus (Orzel), Tiki Sahiber Ku, Gondolier mares have been super on him - so it's exciting to see the other bloodlines that have been used on him. There are already a couple of his foals out of a Despo daughter (Gordon Potts mare) and the other mare mhtokay bred is a Despo. Next year will be exciting with all these babies.

Thanks - she's a bit plain and keeps growing , had hoped she'd stop . Right now she looks a bit more sporty to me , she's just turned 4 , she was a summer foal.

I'm keeping my eye on those HA QH crosses . I'll be really interested to see Angel Star's foal too . I'm a bit out of touch with the QH breeding now - I always liked Reminic and have seen 2 sons of his I like . I do like your stallion and of course the idea of getting a cool buckskin .

I've spent most of the last 20 years doing dressage and I'm just getting back into working western . I never wanted a warmblood cross but get kind of excited about the thought of a QH cross .

Comstock Lode, I'll try to post a picture. I'm brand new to this forum and I had never gotten comfortable with all the steps needed at @#$ to do pictures. I'd have the whole page of instructions laying here next to me while i went through all the steps. So, I'll try. But your mare looks very like Angel. Maybe a little bigger. THe ears, the hindquarter, the little white feet. When we were at Suzie Creek in Feb. to meet her, the other Buck kids looked like peas in a pod, too. I think there were 2 other fillies by him there. I don't know if this worked, but go to my website.. maraarabians.com under news for a picture.

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Well shoot the pictures came up! Small, but that's OK. She doesn't have any white on her face, though it sort of looks like it in that picture. It's kind of funny, but I've got 3 bay mares right now and none have white on their face. They're all Desperado daughter or grandaughters, so must be from him. I have a Hollywood White 2 year old from a *Bask/Crabbet mare that I had reined for years. He is really looking good and is very quiet. Almost too quiet some days for what i'm used to, LOL. I was doing some ground work exercises with him last week ala Clinton Anderson and he was kind of heavy and a little sluggish in his responses. But yesterday, when I got him out, he was quick and snappy. The power of "sleeping on it"! He's also kind of a fancy mover. I think he'd be competitive in the pleasures as well as reining.

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OK. One more since the beginning of this thread asked for action pictures. Here's a picture of Kala Kachina winning either the Open or Amateur East Coast Championship in 2005. SHe won them both last year at age 14 after a 2 month tune up the winter before. She then foaled in late May, but sadly the foal died or was born dead...... I missed the birth by too much. (a buckskin full brother to the 2 year old). So 2+ more months to get her back in gear for a grand finale at East Coast.

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Her oldest foal is Reinman by Desperado V, my avatar who won the open East Coast reining championship this year. He's still green, but next year I think I'll try a regional or 2.

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