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Nefis Sarri
post Sep 27 2006, 08:44 AM
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I would like to hear stories of people who were in contact or know people like the Cassels or Pattersons or any other breeders who you would consider foundation breeders of Polish horses in North America


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post Sep 27 2006, 09:00 AM
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Toskara Arabians in Texas and Canterbury Farm in Maryland just to mention a couple.


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Nefis Sarri
post Sep 27 2006, 09:16 AM
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ty I know of those two and they are great breeders but i would also like to hear stories about the older breeders like the Cassel's or Pattersons , Tweeds, in same vein as the other foundation breeders thread except specific to Polish arabians

if you have any stories about Toskhara and Cantebury you'd like to share please do


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post Jan 17 2007, 09:41 AM
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I will put Mystic Sands Arabians on this list. Over 30's years of breeding pure polish horses with many, many National, Regional, State, and open show winners in all divisions. They started their breeding farm back when Pattersons were in OH and Four Winds was in Wi. It took one filly by the name of Bandy to make that farm. She is still there in her great grandkids.


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QUOTE (PalMar @ Jan 17 2007, 09:41 AM) *
I will put Mystic Sands Arabians on this list. Over 30's years of breeding pure polish horses with many, many National, Regional, State, and open show winners in all divisions. They started their breeding farm back when Pattersons were in OH and Four Winds was in Wi. It took one filly by the name of Bandy to make that farm. She is still there in her great grandkids.


yes paula and MS Santana is getting some recognition too and people are breeding to him again .. that is so nice to see and hear about ..


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Hello Nefis,

Found your topic from January '07... thought I'd send you a picture of Dick Patterson with Dewiza in Poland. Pretty cool old photo. Don't ask how or where I got it. Someone sent it to me eons ago when we imported her.

Dick used to say, "Breeding is like making a fine salad, a little of this, a little of that." smile.gif

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post May 6 2008, 01:28 AM
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Based on the timeframes in which Polish Arabians began to be imported, and when breeder such as the Pattersons, Tweeds, Varian, Cassels, etc., began actively persuing them, it is safe to say they are foundation breeders. This is a great topic! I am glad you began this thread, for many on this site have a limited point of reference when it comes to foundation breeders, and how we came to have the horses we do today. Many breeders on the forum owe their success, in part, to breeders like the Pattersons. For example: Had it not been for Negatraz and Monogramm, both Patterson bred, we would not have *Kordelas, Ganges, Ekstern, Andrzejevo, Erykk....... the list goes on and on. Heidi, that photo of Dick and *Dewiza is too cool. I hope to pop in again in the next couple of days to share some of my own personal experiences with the Pattersons.


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I love pouring over the old magazines, not only for images of old horses, but for the stories by and of the old breeders. The articles and interviews 'humanize' them, as well as sometimes providing insights. One of my favorite articles was one about small breeders; it was very eye-opening to see what have become big names and read about steps/goals/mistakes they've learned from as 'small breeders of national champions'.

Seeing this thread this morning reminded me of a little snippet involving the Pattersons. The first time I read it, I picked up on the Lacroix name; some months later, after I learned one of my tech clients apparently went to school with Dick Patterson, it made the second reading of the article even more interesting for me.
Excerpts from AHW July 1982, p. 219-222 Nichols-Delongpre feature section, "Mike...by Mike (Nichols)"

"I was introduced to Dr. LaCroix and after some conversation I asked whether he and Mary Jean might accompany me to Poland and show me the ropes. They said they'd love to and thus began one of the closest and most productive friendships I have had. I have been back to Poland 13 times since that first trip, and one of the most striking things I've found in the Polish breeders is their absolute honesty and their ruthlessness in assessing their horses. It's not at all unusual to hear Director Krzysztalowicz of Janow Podlaski or Director Jaworowski of Michalow look at one of his horses and say, "The back's too long" or "The neck's too short." It is this honesty that has enabled them to continue to breed superb horses throughout unimaginable hardships.
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I think the hardest I ever laughed was in Poland. Don DeLongpre and I were sharing a car with Gene and Mary Jean LaCroix. After our experience with the truck we had dispensed foreverwith drivers and I was behind the wheel of a small, rented Polish car. We were coming from Janow Podlaski. A German tour bus had aboandoned one of its non-English-speaking passengers at Janow and we had offered him a ride back to Warsaw. We were obediently following Dick and Kay Patterson, who were in an equally small car, when their fan belt broke. If your fan belt breaks in Poland and you don't have another fan belt, there is very little you can do. There aren't service stations every few miles - nor, in fact, anything else, in the vicinity we were in. It was late at night, it was dark, there was no one else on the road. We looked under hoods, sat around, walked up and down wondering if anybody might ever come along, and if they did what language we would address them in. After several hours of this Dick Patterson decided he might as well drive on without a fan belt. The only thing is, he decided rather suddenly. We piled in the car and I drove to catch up with him as quickly as I could. The Pattersons' car was just two small tail lights receding in the distance. "Wait, wait," I yelled, "the K*ra*ut's not in the car. We can't just drive off. The K*ra*ut's not in the car." From the back seat very, very quietly, came Dr. LaCroix's voice, "Yes he is." There was a small pause and then about 15 minutes of wild laughter which we were never able to explain adequately to the German gentleman.

My friendship with Sheila Varian began when I went to see her horses. I rather crudely asked if I could buy *BACHANTKA. She told me I would have to marry her to get her. I did end up with a colt of *BACHANTKA's *BASK daughter, BALALINKA. That's BARBARY+++. My friendship with Sheila turned out equally well - a ten-year conversation about horses and related subjects from which I have learned a lot.

BACHANTKA

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Early in 1975 I went to visit Don DeLongpre at his ranch in California. I was interested because of Don's gifts as a breeder and a horseman and because of his stallion *ETER, who was not only by COMET but out of one of the very greatest daughters of AMURATH SAHIB, ESTOKADA. Don showed me his horses, and when he brought out *ETER the horse bounced and snorted and put his tail over his back and trotted around us in circles like a National Champion Park Horse. "He's really something," I said. Don looked at him and then looked at me and said, "He's never done this in his life." I was startled by his honesty and I have never ceased to be impressed with his honesty and fairness in the six years of our happy and successful partnership.

ETER
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*BUFA and *MARITSA are two mares that I wanted desperately. I missed *BUFA in Poland by about two weeks. She had been bought and imported to the United States by T.C. Halberg. I first saw her in Minnesota when it was about 20 degrees below zero. Mr. Halberg said she was not for sale under any circumstances. I called him twice a year for the next six years and he finally weakened. Today, we have five beautiful *BUFA daughters.

BUFA
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I have imported many horses from Poland. Some of them have become National Champions, some of them have produced National Champions. I love the Poles and I love the horses they have bred. But I have never understood assessing anything as a generality. I cannot deal with the idea of Polish horses or Russian horses or Egyptian horses or Crabbet horses. I can take only one horse at a time. I know that serious breeders have said this over and over, but it probably cannot be said too often. There are good and bad horses in all countries; probably the most good horss are here in our country. The question is: which horse; which stallion of what breeding to mate with which mare? This is the challenge that endlessly fascinates."


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post May 6 2008, 09:47 AM
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Very nice read! I have been breeding Arabians since 1979, met the Lacroix's, purchased one horse from them. In all the years I have not met Sheila Varian, BUT I did see her in person for the first time in Las Vegas last month...gosh, she looked just like all the pictures, no missing her! Met Tom Chancey, Joe Cassel, attended many of the Sales in the early 1980's...what a show! Chancey's sales would go on forever, so many horses...he was so entertaining though, such a nice man. The think that was so nice about all the people I met in the beginning and since is the fact, that they were/are so approachable. All want to share what they know about this wonderful horse. The Nichols-Delongpre was my favorite...what a production!! All the movie stars and the grounds and set up was just magic! I was wide-eyed and open mouthed...what fun!
I had a trip to Poland scheduled and paid for, visa and everything, in 1983..but due to marital dominance, I didn't get to go. I'm going this year...I want to see and feel, be there, before I die!!!

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