As posted by Beth Thomas ......I am quoting her directly.......exciting program, I hope there is lots of participation!!!

"www.SHNPayback.com or call 337 370-7671 for info on an exciting new program for sport horse breeders! Stallion owners donate a breeding to the program which are then sold for 50% of their advertised fee. this money is used as prize money for the program. Stallions can be PB, HA,AA, or non-Arabian as long as the foals are registered with AHA. All foals by registered stallions are eligible, including any foals already showing. In order to donate, the stallion must have won himself, or produced a Class A championship, Regional Top 5 or better, or a National Top 10 or better. If the stallion is non-Arabian or shown only at open shows,he msut ahve won a class or championship at A rated hunter, dressage, driving, or an approved event. The top 2 sires frome ach SHN will each receive 5% of the available prize money. Champion and reserve of the designated classes will receive prize money. Get are eligible for life as long as the stallion is in the program. Call or email for more details and any questions!"

The WAS a thread about this before, but it was closed. Not sure why, but ABN is trying to get a program started as well so maybe...it conflicted ?

I just saw that this subject was covered in the "Hot Topics" section of this site...........should we close this thread here?

Sorry for the duplication.

I don't know :-) I never figured out why it was closed in Hot Topics.

Maybe just leave it and PM Dean later and see if it's OK.

I don't know why it was closed, either. I asked but never got an answer (that I could find, anyway). I know there was concern that this program wasn't for everyone, but there really is no such thing. No matter how you raise the money, not everyone can win it. If you decide upper levels get it, that leaves out the lower levels of competition. If you decide SH gets it, that leaves out dressage, over fences, driving, etc. If you have unborn foals nominated, that leaves out non-nominated foals (as in futurities). There is just no way to pay out to everyone.

We thought this program came the closest to making it available to everyone while not costing money, hence no risk to participate.

If you compare to Sweepstakes, you have to nominate the stallion ($1500-$4000), then nominate every foal ($400 each), then pay an addition $100 every year that you want "A" show points to count. Then after paying all that and waiting for those foals to grow up, the SHN classes only pay ONE CLASS for half/anglo arabians (SHUS ATR)and three for purebreds (SHIH gelding, mares, and SHUS ATR)plus the two A/HA/AA dressage classes at 2nd and 3rd level. And even more restrictive is that all these classes are limited to amateurs only. Then the breeder incentive for stallions is limited to purebred stallions only when the non purebreds have to pay more ($4000) just to enroll.

We thought a better program was needed to serve the needs of the Sport Horse exhibitors and breeders.

The SHN Payback program does not require a stallion out-of-pocket nomination fee, just a breeding donation.

It does not require nomination of the unborn foals.

It does not require all the expense of raising the foals until they are old enough to show to win money. ALL get by donated stallions are grandfathered into the program, immediately. Which also means if you have a winning horse going to SHNs, get the sire owner to donate a breeding before you go:)

It does not require annual payments by get owners inorder to be eligible for prize money.

It does not penalize non arabian or part arabian stallions.

It does not restrict the stallion payout incentive (5% of prize money each year) to only purebred arabian stallions.

It does not cause stallion stud fees to go higher inorder to cover their entry cost into the program. In fact, it gives the mare owners LOWER stud fees.

It does not use money paid into the program to award other arabian classes. It ALL (as in 100%) goes to SHNs. (That also means no administrative fees. We are managing this program for free and its advertising is coming out or our personnal pockets)

It does not restrict payouts to only GP Dressage or MP Jumpers. The money will be divided to SHIH, SHUS, Driving, Dressage, Hunters (Hunter Hack at first) so eveyone will have a division to show in and perhaps more than one.

It does not restrict participation to only amateurs.

And the best part, IT COSTS NOTHING TO PARTICIPATE:)

All it requires is the generosity of stallion owners to donate breedings (with the added incentive of earning the 5% stallion payback at SHNs plus increased marketability of their get) and the willingness of mare owners to buy half priced breedings.

Laura

I'm just guessing but the other thread was less about this program and more about other stuff . It could be it was locked because of that rather than the program .

One question I did not remember to ask until just now.

Being that I still show my stallion and plan on it until he is old and grey...is he able to get anything for winning? Just a silly question or is it only for get?

Thanks again for all you are doing. BTW, I need to get a flyer of some sort from you gals. My club meeting is on Saturday and would love to place a flyer on each of the tables.

~Aimee

Aimee,
That's a great question...Maybe we can figure out a way to include the "big men" themselves! There are a few still competing.

Thanks. Thought it was a valid question!

Yep, that is very much a valid question. We are tossing around a few ideas now, and will run the best ideas past you:)







Showbizfarm--I love that pic in your avatar. Who is it?

Laura