Say you're buying a colt on a contract, seller wants retained breedings to this horse but later on you know someone who would love to have the horse as an ammy gelding. When the contract is paid in full & horse is transferred into new owner's name, do they have the right to geld the horse or are they locked into keeping them intact?
I was reading this somewhere & it made me think so I'm asking all of you who have probably sold horses on contracts before.

Maree - retained breedings will transfer over to the new owner until they are used THEN and only THEN could the colt be gelded. Of course, unless there was an ammendment to the contract, in writing, between the original seller, buyer #1, and so on....The contract in it's original context is the contract.

Alot of times, the purchase price is reduced should retained breedings be given to the original seller. If the contract was to be breached, there would certainley be monetary damages that could be awarded and collected by the original seller.

Denise Gainey

If someone wanted to geld the horse but there was retained breedings , the horse could be collected and frozen , then gelded .

CL,

I was thinking the same thing, Collect at least twice as many breedings as the contract says is retained, then whack em off. I say twice as many (Or the number in my head is 10) becuase the mare may not take, may slip the baby, the baby could die during birth, could be twins. SO many things could happen.

They can still have thier breedings and you can have your nice gelding. Win Win.

Thanks Denise & Comstock, I thought as much but wondered

There's one problem with that, however. Not all stallions freeze (even if in a fresh/live cover situation they are viable). So it would be not so good if you did freeze the stallion, geld him, and then discover that he doesn't freeze - you'd have to do a test freeze first, wait to see if viable offspring were produced, and then geld him. And if the test freeze wasn't successful, what then? Just thinking that it's not quite as simple as you might guess.

Good Point Alex..

Any reputable freezing company will do at least 3 test freezes on the stallion before they will say for sure that he's a good candidate. They'll usually do 3 because that's how many times they want him collected before they do the real freezing collection. Clearing out the pipes is how it was explained to me. During that time they will do several test freeze straws as well as evaluations of the s e me en to be frozen, for mortality, morphology, count, viability and freeze worthiness. They'll also try out several different extenders to see which one works best with this particular stallion, and they'll do a couple of test thaws. The company I have used also would inseminate a couple of mares to see if a normal breeding dose of 2 straws was enough or if the s e men would lose it's potency.

If I retained breedings to a stallion I sold, I would specifically state that frozen s e men was not acceptable, that fresh, cooled or on site immediate insemination was the only form of breeding I would accept. In addition to the pitfals of freezing, the timing is so critical and entails a lot more ultrasounding and increases the risk of tearing the mare and increases the costs exponentially.

I would not purchase a colt with a retained breedings clause. But that is just my own past experience talking.

If you want to geld the horse for whatever reason, you are obliged to honour those breedings first. What if the last thing you wanted to do was have that stud do any breeding for whatever reason.

Some sellers just put in that clause so you think that they really like the colt and believe his breedings will be worth something.

Ya know... if the colt is gelding quality, perhaps retained breedings needn't be an issue. A frank talk with the previous owner may help them recognize that he needs to lose his ###### and not contribute to the gene pool.

OMG, lol, the board filter #'s out f-a-m-i-l-y j-e-w-e-l-s. My my, aren't we prude?