I have in my finally got my hearts desire. Many years ago I could only watch and admire the SE show strings that came through Region IX.
Mercy but they where the best of the beauties in their day. They all packed that extra punch!
I heard the rumors too! Which I have found out have been based on the opinions of people that do not like a horse that is smarter than they. (JMO) I have not found them hotter or less athletic than the other bloodlines.
So the cards fell my way and I got my first SE filly to raise.
Her mother is a big well built girl and her sire is too. So I knew I was looking to produce a good sized foal. I did not realize just how quickly they do grow. The first few months she just inflated in size and she was out of her foal halter before she was three months old.
I have noticed that she is sensitive to a protien rich feed (legs started to stock up) so we adjusted the feed program and that problem went away, everything came out fine.
Now she will be 9 month old this week and she stands a measured 14.1 at the shoulders. I am very proud of my baby and adore her. (Obviously)
Her sire is a son of Ibn Morafic out of a double Shamruk mare. Her dam is an Imperial bred mare by Moniet El Nafis out of the Mosry daughter Imperial Mistry.
I am very impressed with this filly's growth rate, and would like your opinion on which SE lines are placing foals on the ground that mature out at 15.2 and better.
I leased her mother and her owner decided she needed the same cross for her farm. So I can not go back to the same source for a second edition which would have been great.
Another thing I like about this cross is while she is a big filly she is not coarse in appearance.
Now that I have explained my amazement to you . I realize I am on to a good thing and would like some helpful pointers on the bloodlines for size and refinement.
I do not want to sacrifice one for the other.
You know how it is some times , like admiring a mountian in the distance. Never believing you would go there until you find yourself on its slopes, such is how it is with me. I love the SE horses but just did not pay that close attention. Who knew? I did not believe that such a plum could fall my way, silly huh?
I will need some suggestions to plan a good breeding program for her.
Can you help me?
Val

check out aspecial ali, my filly by him is a 15'1 yearling

The egyptians whether SE or eyptian bred can grow until they are about 8 yrs old. So by the sounds of it your filly is going to be a real nice size. Would love to see some pics of her she sounds just wonderful!

I have had a terrible run of luck with the cameras the digital gave up the ghost and I had four rolls of film stink real real bad, meaning they did not develop, so my girl's baby pictures are lost. What a Bummer!
Now she is a wooly tomgirl and a diva to boot.
So we shall see what I can get together. I am thinking she wants to be a cutting horse because she tries to herd me to her feed bucket to stand there and admire her eat.
When I walk off she comes after me to get me back there. Lol!
I have hopes for this one.
But as soon as I get some clear pics I will post.
Thanks.
Val

How wonderful first of all that you found the horse of your dreams! Lucky you. I have some opinions about rapid growth on any baby....but the best thing for you to do is research feeding programs like those by Purina...or discuss this with a vet who knows Arabs? While we all want these babies to have substance, I think often it is encouraged too much? Keeping on a regular feeding program with good quality feed, and worming will assure they are growing at a rate they should? And I really think heridity plays a big part in how tall they will be...not just parents, but grandparents will give you an idea what to expect.
I am probably preaching to the choir, but I watch those legs and keep those hooves done during the early years esp. on those with rapid growth. My vet here says that on the TB farms he works at that he watches for them forming a club foot when they grow rapidly...sometimes cuts back on the grain...gives more hay and roughage...no supplements...and all the turnout time they can handle. If so in TB's, I figure it is the same with these Arabs. JMO.
A lot of Arabian owners have the thought that SE are *small*...I have seen the opposite?

My girl is now 10 months old and stands 14.1+
I do watch her feed a lot I have her on a low protien diet IMO because anything else seems to burn her. I had her mother on a 14 % senior feed because mom's teeth where not so good and my girls legs started to stock up. WHOA! I cut them back to a 10%hay supplement to go with their hay and pasture, baby's legs returned to normal. I have her in a pre toned show condition, not fat, not lean and she is turned out all the time. I have stalls but preferr a loafing shed arrangement. I do not have many horses and they can come and go to the pasture. They only get stalled when they are individually fed, or over night if the weather is real bad.
Her sire and dam are both 15.3. The dam's sire was Moniet El Nafis, I believe since he was a Ibn Moniet El Nefous son he probalby had size too. The mare's dam's sire was Mosry.
Of my filly's sire he was by Ibn Morafic out of a close line bred Shamruk mare. I think Shamruk was a big boy to. I never got to see these horses first hand so I have been studying photos. That is a hard job to get much even with a good photo.
I got lucky with her and found a gal with some big ones close by the house, they are all built like box cars. All solid built with utterly beautiful heads.
Val

Sounds to me like you have all the bases covered real well? Now all you have to do is sit back, watch and enjoy? I think your housing situation is ideal. I do not like to see horses stalled.
A friend of mine in Canada was interested in a Shamruk grand daughter I beleive, so his name has come up a couple of times to me recently. I saw some pictures of him and I think the gal who had him or a son of his has a website.

Nancy Speed down here in Missisisippi owned Shamruk for a long while. I just learned of her when I started to check out the sires pedigree. His dam is Bint Bint Shamruk, she is double Shamruk with a line to Rasmoniet RSI. Bint Bint Shamruk has some breeding issues or so some thread on the forums stated. She I believe is a SPEAH mare. I would absoultely love to rest my eyes on any photos of Shamruk direct get.
There is a Shamruk daughter for sale up in Canada, I believe. I would love to look at her but I am going back to school and in no position to buyanother horse right now. No need to raise false hopes either, sigh. It hardly seems fair though. I love to research these bloodlines sometimes shopping is the only way you will get to see them too.

I have started to judge the size of a horse in the photos by comparing them to the fence, handler or rider.
Judging the flatness of bone or the length of the cannon is troublesome too.
More and more of our horses cannons are getting longer, leg bones rounder, and their necks shorter.
My pet peeve is photos that are stretched askewed. Ewww! I am not so hung-over I can not tell something is wrong with that shot.
Val

We sticked my SE colt last night. He's just turned 9 mos. and is a solid 14.1 on a brick surface. Though neither parent is huge, there is some size in the pedigree.

His sire, Serenity Taruf (SF Untouchable x Serenity Marufa) is right at 15.2 (on a stick) barefoot, but S. Taruf has three 1/2 siblings (two by Serenity Aristu, and 1 by AK Shah Munifeh) that are over 16 hh. Serenity Aruf and Serenity Sharuf are BOTH better than 16.1 .... on a stick, and yes, I've seen both of these big guys in the flesh.

His dam, *Nura GRSB (Gharib x Nusra) was 15.1. She was double Gharib, as her dam Nusra (by A. Abbas Pasha) is also out of the Gharib daughter Noosa.

We still need to do the measurement from coronary band to the bottom of the knee to get a better idea of the eventual mature height of the colt..... don't think he'll be as big as his sire's brothers.

My mare with the Simeon Shai breeding is taller than all our Arabians with the exception of our stallion, who is TD bred, and the Ali El Din colt/gelding we have. I saw Simeon Shai at the Event one year and he was by no means taller/bigger than some stallions I have seen of other lines. I have heard that an outcross makes for a *larger* baby over the years and have seen a few that confirm that theory.
The colt/gelding is almost Anglo-Arab in appearance and my daughter will be using him as a Hunter...may possible jump him. He cleared our round pen which is proably 4 ft? Standard height panels.